Fichera (DNA Match)

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LFI, from AUS, has a DNA-Match with me on

  • myheritage: 32,1 cM (longest one 23,9 cM) across 2 segments, possible 5th to 9th  cousin.

Her daughter JVH and her mother RCA have also a DNA-Match with me on

  • JVH: myheritage: 30,8 cM (longest one 20,5 cM) across 2 segments, possible 3rd to distant  cousin.
  • RCA: myheritage: 29,5 cM (longest one 29,5 cM) across 1 segments, possible 5th to 9th  cousin.

All three have a match with my father and my two daughters (see below), but not with my brother.

On the other side, my brother has a DNA with ROF on

  • myheritage: 90,8 cM (longest one 63,0 cM) across 4 segments, possible 3rd to 7th  cousin.

He is also the only one, together with my father, who has a match with her. Neither I nor my daughters have a match with ROF. Only common matches between my brother and ROF are:

  • my father (84,3 cM, 1,2%). See below.
  • GVE (52,3 cM, 0,7%). See below.
  • Frank (159,5 cM, 2,3%). See below.
  • I. Andersson (16,7 cM, 0,2%). I. Andersson only common matches with my brother are me, one of my daughter, my father, and, as said, ROF.

PVH is the husband of LFI and manages her tree, that’s why I’m in contact with him. I do not match with him, neither do the other components of my family.

Following table shows the possible relationship to our MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor). In parenthesis the less probable surnames, reported here just for sake of completeness and because DNA-matches and family trees are often not so precise or reliable.

% DNA My family MRCA LFI’s family % DNA
The percentage of DNA shared between LFI and me is very small (0,5%) thus our possible MRCA could be 8 generations back.
My tree doesn’t go back so many generations yet, so it could be difficult to find our MRCA.
Currently, the MRCA between LFI and me should be found most probably in the families: Greco, Tomarchio, or Russo.
(~34,44%) My 8x-great-grandparents: Greco, Di Bella, Tomarchio, Russo, …
(Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato)
siblings ? LFI’s 8xgreat-grandparents: Tomarchio, Russo, Greco, …
(Fichera, Lofaro, Patanè, Privitera, La Spina, Caffarella, Vasquez)
(~34,44%)
(~22,96%
~40,84%)
My 8x-great-grandparents: Greco, Di Bella, Tomarchio, Russo, …
(Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato)
siblings or 1st to 2nd cousins? LFI’s 8xgreat-grandparents: Tomarchio, Russo, Greco, …
(Fichera, Lofaro, Patanè, Privitera, La Spina, Caffarella, Vasquez)
(~40,84%)
(~41,63%
~25,53%
~15,31%)
My 7x-great-grandparents: Greco, Di Bella, Tomarchio, Russo, …
(Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato)
siblings or 1st to 3rd cousins? LFI’s 8xgreat-grandparents: Tomarchio, Russo, Greco, …
(Fichera, Lofaro, Patanè, Privitera, La Spina, Caffarella, Vasquez)
(~41,63%)
~56,24%
(~24,49%
~15,96%
~10,21%)
My 6x-great-grandparents: GrecoTomarchio, Russo, …
(Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato)
siblings or 1st to 4th cousins? LFI’s 6xgreat-grandparents: Tomarchio, Russo, Greco, …
(Fichera, Lofaro, Patanè, Privitera, La Spina, Caffarella, Vasquez)
~56,24%
~29,60%
(~14,41%
~9,98%
~6,81%)
My 5x-great-grandparents: GrecoTomarchio, Russo, …
(Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato)
1st to 5th cousins? LFI’s 5xgreat-grandparents: Tomarchio, Russo, Greco, …
(Fichera, Lofaro, Patanè, Privitera, La Spina, Caffarella, Vasquez)
~29,60%
~14,80%
(~8,48%
~6,24%
~4,54%)
My 4x-great-grandparents: GrecoTomarchio, Russo, …
(Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato)
2nd to 6th cousins? LFI’s 4xgreat-grandparents: Tomarchio, Russo, Greco, …
(Fichera, Lofaro, Patanè, Privitera, La Spina, Caffarella, Vasquez)
~14,80%
~7,79%
(~4,99%
~3,90%
~3,03%)
My 3x-great-grandparents: Giambattista Greco + Maria Di Bella, Giuseppe Tomarchio + Carmela Russo
(Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato)
1st to 5th cousins? LFI’s 3xgreat-grandparents: Tomarchio, Russo, Greco, …
(Fichera, Lofaro, Patanè, Privitera, La Spina, Caffarella, Vasquez)
~7,79%
~4,10%
(~2,94%
~2,44%)
~2,02%)
My 2x-great-grandparents: Nunzio Greco + Angela Tomarchio
(Sciuto, Gangemi, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato)
2nd to 6th cousins? LFI’s 2xgreat-grandparents:
Salvatore Fichera + Gaetana Lofaro, Rosario Tomarchio + Venera Patanè,
Gaetano Russo + Orazia Tomarchio, Michele Privitera + Agata La Spina,
Gaetano Caffarella + Giovanna Vasquez, Giuseppe Patanè + Giuseppa Cavallaro, Greco, ….
~4,10%
~2,16%
(~1,73%
~1,53%
~1,35%)
My great-grandfather: Salvatore Greco
(Sciuto, Andò, Aliotta)
3rd to 7th cousins? LFI’s great-grandparents:
Carmelo Fichera + Serafina Tomarchio, Rosario Russo + Venera Privitera, Domenico Caffarella + Rosa Patanè, Alfio Greco + Grazia Greco,
~2,16%
~1,14%
(~1,02%
~0,96%
~0,9%)
My grandfather: Greco
(Andò)
4th to 8th cousins? LFI’s grandparents:
Salvatore Fichera  (1880) + Lucia Russo (1893), Salvatore Caffarella (1888) + Sebastiana Greco (1901)
~1,14%
0,6% My father 5th to 9th cousins?
(match on myheritage)
LFI’s parents:
RCA + RFI
0,6%
0,5% Me 5th to 9th cousins? LFI
(+PVH)
0,5%
0,5%
0,4%
My daughters
GFE, FAP
GFE: 5th to 9th cousins?
FAP: 3rd to dist. cousins?
(matches on myheritage)
LFI’s daughter
JVH
0,5%
0,4%

Please note: as the DNA is not passed exactly 50% from the parents to the children, I multiplicated the percentage of DNA times 1,9 (1,7, 1,6, 1,5) instead of times 2 going back from the last known, i.e. the one of my father and LFI’s mother. How imprecise is the percentage of shared DNA passed through generation can be seen comparing my father and LFI’s mother, me and LFI, and my daughters and LFI’s daughter. Because of this, there could be one to three more steps back, i.e. generation, to be considered.

Considering the surnames in LFI’s tree compared with the ones in mine, following considerations should be made about the names, looking for our MRCA:

  • Greco: the name Sebastiano appeares in my tree often (e.g. 2nd name of my uncle and the brother of my grandfather). Alfio doesn’t recurre in my tree but for collateral branches. The name Grazia appears in my tree as second name of Maria Grazia Greco, daughter of Salvatore Greco, my great-grandfather. Being Grazia as second name, it might be that Grazia Greco was her aunt or great-aunt.
  • Tomarchio: Rosario, Orazia, and Serafina do not appeare in my tree, not even in collateral branches.
  • Russo: Rosario and Lucia do not appear in my three, not even in collateral branches. Gaetano does appear in my tree, but on my grandmother side rather than on my grandfather side.

Thus, according to the table above, LFI and I should be

  • 5th cousin, if my Salvatore Greco is related to LFI’s Alfio or Grazia Greco.
  • 6th cousin, if my Angela Tomarchio is related to LFI’s Rosario or Orazia Tomarchio.
  • 7th cousin, if my Giambattista Greco (or one of his descendants) is related to LFI’s Alfio or Grazia Greco.  Or if my Giuseppe or Angela Tomarchio (or one of his/her descendants) are related to LFI’s Serafina or Rosario or Orazia Tomarchio. Or if my Carmela Russo (or one of her descendants) is related to LFI’s Rosario or Gaetano Russo.
  • 8th or 9th cousin, if the MRCA is further back in time.

Location

Possible location of the MRCA between LFI and me should be found in Sicily, in the province of Catania.

It seems that my ancestors from that region were moving around a lot, so it could be possible that someone of them met some of LFI’s ancestors. Following table shows the distance in kilometers between the known birth places of mine and LFI’s ancestors.

The distance is as of today (Google Maps, routes by feet), but at those times could have been just some kilometers more. Anyway a distance that could have been done by feet in one day.

Milo
(ROF)
Stazzo
(RCA)
Zafferana Etnea, Bongiardo
(NGR)
4,2 Km (1 hour, 5 min.)  9,9 Km (1 hour, 51 min.)
Giarre
(Salvatore Greco)
9,0 Km (2 hours, 24 min.) 9,7 Km (1 hour, 57 min.)
Dagala del Re
(Nunzio Greco and Angela Tomarchio)
5,6 Km (1 hour, 30 min.) 8,6 Km (1 hour, 37 min.)
Acireale
(ASC)
17,4 Km (4 hours, 8 min.) 7,9 Km (1 hour, 42 min.)
Aci Sant’Antonio
(Giuseppe Sciuto)
15,5 Km (3 hours, 36 min.) 10,2 Km (2 hours, 3 min.)
Mascali
(Agata Gangemi)
12,0 Km (3 hours, 5 min.) 12,7 Km (2 hours, 37 min.)

The difficulties in searching the documents is given also by the changes in jurisdiction of Zafferana Etnea and the towns nearby during the times when our ancestors lived.

Other possible Locations

Fichera is also a surname I saw in the books of St. Catherine Cathedral in Alexandria (Egypt). Could the MRCA has lived or even born there?

An Alfio Greco, not related to me as per current status of the research, is also present in the books of St. Catherine Cathedral. Whether is the same that appear in LFI’s tree must be still checked.

Considering the location (Milo, just 4,7 Km from Bongiardo) and the names (e.g. Sebastiana and Grazia Greco in LFI’s tree), my best guess at the moment would be that the MRCA should be found in the Greco family. Thus more research on the descendants and the collateral branches of Giambattista Greco and Maria Di Bella as well as of Sebastiana, Alfio and Grazia Greco is required.

Common DNA-Matches

Following table shows the DNA-matches in common between LFI and me.

Name relationship to me relationship to LFI Notes Cluster
FDC father
(3.537,2 cM 49,9%)
5th-9th cousin
(46,9 cM 0,7%)
FDC matches also with:
JVH (33,3 cM, longest 24,6 cM, 2 segm., 0,5%, 5th-9th cousins);
RCA (41,9 cM, longest 28,8 cM, 3 segm., 0,6%, 5th-9th cousins);
LVH (13,7 cM, longest 13,7, 1 segm., 0,2%, 3rd-dist. cousins).
FDC matches also with:
RSF (84,3 cM, longest 65,5 cM, 3segm., 1,2%, 3rd-7th cousins), which is not managed by PVH but by TMA).
JVH 3rd-dist. cousin
(30,8 cM, 0,4%)
daughter
(3.527,7 cM, 49,8%)
See below FAP and GFE. 2
RCA 5th-9th cousin
(29,5 cM, 0,4%)
mother
(3.517,8 cM, 49,6%)
See below FAP and GFE. 2
GFE daughter
(3512,3 cM, 49,5%)
5th-9th cousin
(32,9 cM, 0,5%)
GFE matches also with:
JVH (32,9 cM, longest 24,7 cM, 2 segm., 0,5%, 5th-9th cousins);
RCA (28,8 cM, longest 28,8 cM, 1 segm., 0,4%, 5th-9th cousins);
VVH (9,6 cM, longest 9,6 cM, 1 segm., 0,1%, 3rd-dist. cousins).
FAP dautghter
(3.517,2 cM, 49,6%)
3th-6th cousin
(94,6 cM, 1,3%)
FAP matches also with:
JVH (24,7 cM, longest 24,7 cM, 1 segm., 0,4%, 3rd-dist. cousins);
RCA (28,8 cM, longest 28,8 cM, 1 segm., 0,4%, 5th-9th cousins).
GVE 2nd-4th cousin
(297,9 cM, 4,2%)
3rd-dist. cousin
(19,1 cM, 0,3%)
See The Venegoni Families. 13
Frank 3rd-dist. cousin
(12,2 cM, 0,2%)
3rd-4th cousin
(151,0 cM, 2,1%)
2
O. Ross 5th-9th. cousin
(37,7 cM, 0,5%)
5th-9th cousin
(51,0 cM, 0,7%)
10
I. Boskovic 3rd-dist. cousin
(11,3 cM, 0,2%)
5th-9th cousin
(62,0 cM, 0,9%)
2
D. Gangemi 3rd-dist. cousin
(23,5 cM, 0,3%)
5th-9th cousin
(30,5 cM, 0,4%)
Related maybe through Agata Gangemi (wife of Giuseppe Sciuto, father of ASC, my great-grandmother) too?
To be checked.
2
V.M.F. Wilk 3rd-dist. cousin
(21,4 cM, 0,3%)
3th-dist. cousin
(29,8 cM, 0,4%)
4
R. Polimeni 3rd-dist. cousin
(21,4 cM, 0,3%)
3th-dist. cousin
(27,6 cM, 0,4%)
4
A. Ragusa 3rd-dist. cousin
(10,0 cM, 0,1%)
5th-9th cousin
(36,4 cM, 0,5%)
6
A. Feoli 3rd-dist. cousin
(23,6 cM, 0,3%)
3rd-dist. cousin
(22,1 cM, 0,3%)
6
P. Farrel 3rd-dist. cousin
(16,7 cM, 0,2%)
3rd-dist. cousin
(19,8 cM, 0,3%)
Is she from the same Farrel family related to the Mifsud family (my 4th cousin)?
To be checked.
10
S. Rathmann 3rd-dist. cousin
(11,9 cM, 0,2%)
3rd-dist. cousin
(24,0 cM, 0,3%)
4
C. Muzzonigro 3rd-dist. cousin
(11,1 cM, 0,2%)
3rd-dist. cousin
(23,3 cM, 0,3%)
2
M. Corsaro 3rd-dist. cousin
(16,0 cM, 0,2%)
3rd-dist. cousin
(10,5 cM, 0,2%)
4
V. Di Diego 3rd-dist. cousin
(16,4 cM, 0,2%)
3rd-dist. cousin
(9,4 cM, 0,1%)
25
J.C. Curtin 3rd-dist. cousin
(9,5 cM, 0,1%)
3rd-dist. cousin
(14,4 cM, 0,2%)
NA
A. Mascari 3rd-dist. cousin
(11,6 cM, 0,2%)
3rd-dist. cousin
(11,7 cM, 0,2%)
6
M.A. Skipper 3rd-dist. cousin
(9,2 cM, 0,1%)
3rd-dist. cousin
(10,3 cM, 0,2%)
NA
T. Delaney Hayth 3rd-dist. cousin
(9,0 cM, 0,1%)
3rd-dist. cousin
(8,6 cM, 0,1%)
NA

Of these common matches, the only surnames currently in my tree are Gangemi, Venegoni, and although indirectly Farrel.

Clusters

In cluster 2, together with LFI and her family, belong also my following matches (not listed above):

  • Joh. and Jos. Tussey,
  • R. Contarino,
  • T. Girgenti, and
  • J. Le Mura.

In cluster 4, together with V.M.F. Wilk, R. Polimeni, S. Rathmann, and M. Corsaro (see above) are also my following matches, not listed above:

  • N. Migliardi and
  • S. Colasazza.

In cluster 6, together with A. Ragusa, A. Feoli, and A. Mascari (see above) are also my following matches, not listed above:

  • Carmelo,
  • J. Bilangino, and
  • M. Delmunay.

In cluster 10, together with O. Ross and P. Farrel (see above) are also my following matches, not listed above:

  • L. Fortunato,
  • B. White, and
  • S. A. Leonardi.

In cluster 13, together with GVE (see above) are also my following matches, not listed above:

  • G. Samperi,
  • T. Schaffer, and
  • M.N. Devarso.

In cluster 25, together with V. Di Diego (see above) are also my following matches, not listed above:

  • G. Farnetti and
  • J. Ridley-Pacicca.

DNA matches on FamilyTreeDNA

On FamilyTreeDNA I do not match directly with anyone from a Fichera family. Neither is LFI or one of her relatives on that site, as far as I know.

However three matches are looking for the Fichera surnames and have Fichera in their trees:

Name Relationship cM, longest, Hapl. Fichera ancestors in tree Looking for, a.o.
P. Grasso 3rd-5th cousin 40 cM, longest 13 cM,
Y-DNA Hapl. J-M172.
Giuseppe Fichera + Francesca Fichera ⇒
Agata Fichera + Antonino Grasso ⇒
Pancrazio Grasso + Maria Grasso ⇒
Giuseppe Grasso + Maria Grasso ⇒
P. Grasso.
Finocchiaro, Gentile (from my tree)

Fichera, La Spina, Patanè (from LFI’s tree)

A. Gallo 5th-dist. cousin 29 cM, longest 10 cM. No visible tree. Battaglia, Magri, Quattrochi (from my tree)

Fichera, Privitera (from LFI’s tree)

V. Vitale 5th-dist. cousin 29 cM, longest 8 cM. Alfio Bonanno + Agata Fichera ⇒
Alfio Bonanno + Maria Torrisi ⇒
Sebastiano Bonanno + Carmela Musumeci ⇒ …
Cardillo, Gangemi, Leotta, Russo (from my tree)

Fichera, La Spina, Patanè, Privitera (from LFI’s tree)

Filippo Barbagallo + Angela Fichera ⇒
Alfio Patanè + Sebastiana Barbagallo ⇒
Giuseppe Patanè + Giuseppa Cavallaro ⇒ …
Gabriele Fichera + Maria Platania ⇒
Gregorio Fichera + Gaetana La Rosa ⇒
Mariano Sorbello + Maria Fichera ⇒
Filippo Sorbello + Rosa Cantarella ⇒ …

DNA matches on 23andme

Similarly, on 23andme I neither match directly with anyone from a Fichera family. Neither is LFI or one of her relatives on that site, as far as I know.

However four matches are looking for the Fichera surnames and have Fichera in their trees, one of them also on FamilyTreeDNA (see above):

Name Relationship cM, perc., segm. Family Tree Looking for, a.o. Common locations
R. Musumeci 3rd-dist. cousin 17 cM, 0,23%, 1 segm. unknown  Gangemi, Leotta, Russo (from my tree)

La Spina, Patanè, Privitera (from LFI’s tree)

Acireale, Giarre, Mascali
V. Vitale 3rd-dist. cousin 13 cM, 0,17%, 1 segm. unknown See match on FamilyTree DNA above. Acireale, Giarre, Mascali
A. Sorbello 3rd-dist. cousin 12 cM, 0,16%, 1 segm. unknown Cardillo, Di Bella, Finocchiaro, Gangemi, Leotta, Tomarchio, Russo (from my tree)

Fichera, La Spina, Patanè, Previtera (from LFI’s tree)

Acireale, Giarre, Mascali, Milo
G. Sorbello 3rd-dist. cousin 12 cM, 0,16%, 1 segm. myheritage (*) Cardillo, Di Bella, Finocchiaro, Gangemi, Greco, Leotta, Tomarchio, Russo (from my tree)

Fichera, La Spina, Patanè, Privitera/Previtera (from LFI’s tree)

Acireale, Giarre, Mascali, Milo

(*) G. Sorbello doesn’t match with me on myheritage. Searching for Sorbello in my DNA-Matches returns an empty list.

However, searching for Sorbello in my father’s DNA-Matches, leads to 4 matches:

  • M. Rowan, from AUS, 5th-9th cousin, 24,2 cM, longest 24,2, 1 segm., 0,3% with a tree with 4.755 people;
  • S. Ragusa, from AUS, 3rd-dist. cousin, 16,3 cM. longest 16,3, 1 segm., 0,2%, with a tree with 6.307 people;
  • S. Sorbello, from AUS, 3rd-dist. cousin, 15,7 cM, longest 9,3, 2 segm., 0,2%, with a tree with 1.614 people;
  • G. Sorbello, from I, 3rd-dist. cousin, 8,6 cM, longest 8,6 cM, 1 segm., 0,1%, with a tree with 112 people.

DNA matches on ancestry

Again, on ancestry I neither match directly with anyone from a Fichera family. Neither is LFI or one of her relatives on that site, as far as I know.

However, searching for Fichera into my DNA-Matches on that site, nine matches are listed, probably because they have this surname in their trees or they are looking for it:

Name Relationship cM, segm. Family Tree Shared Matches on ancestry Common Surnames (with me and/or LFI)
P.B. 4th-6th cousin 21 cM, 1 segm. 1.741 ppl, not visible
managed by garynb58
 D., N, and F. Musumeci, A. Veneziano, E. Canzanese. Tree not visible.
M.A. 5th-8th cousin 14 cM, 2 segm. 1.021 ppl A.G., R. Cavallaro, L.T., N. Musumeci, A.S. Di Bella (Anna, Carmen, Giuseppe, Sebastiano, Tony), Fichera (Rosa), Sorbello (see above – Charles James, Jim, Paul Richard, Sam).
A. Mangano 5th-8th cousin 11 cM, 1 segm. 176 ppl K. Crossley, C.C., R. Riley Fichera (Serafina), La Spina (Giuseppa, Rocco), Patanè (Salvatore).
None with me, but there are surnames frequent in our ancestors’ location, e.g. Coco and Vassallo.
H. Lively-Morris 5th-8th cousin 10 cM, 1 segm. 176 ppl none Fichera (Alfio John, Angelo, Angelo Joseph, Annie, Camillo Anthony, Giuseppe Joe, John, Joseph Anthony, Joseph John, Mary Teresa), Greco (Caterina, Rosa), Patanè (Domenica (3 times), Giuseppe, Nerina Sebastiano (twice), Verina).
A.G. 5th-8th cousin 7 cM, 1 segm. 1.195 ppl H. Tosi Battaglia (Angela, Anna, Antonio Domenico Andrea, Francesco (twice), Giovanna Francesca Nicolina Maria, Giovanni, Joachim, Joachim Mario Francesco da Paola Alfio, Leonardo Andolorus Dominicus, Maria Annunziata Rosa Joseph, Paolo, Rosaria), Buda (Matilde (twice), Luigi, Paola), Fichera (Angela Maria, Filadelfo, Francesco Salvatore, Gaetano, Gaetano Filadelfo Francesco, Stephane), Magri (Antonia), Mifsud (Rosa), Quattrocchi (Agata, Agatha Maria Hieronima, Benedice Ignatio Giuseppe, Cirino, Felipe Salvatore Petrus, Innocentia Catania/Catarina Lenora, Lucio, Maria Eleonora Catarina, Maria Francesca Nicoletta Rosa, Maria Josepha Antonia, Maria Rosa Agata, Teresa (Maria Theresa Catarina)), Russo (Angela, Antonina (twice), Olympia, Rosario), Scuderi (Maria).

Also, although not on my or LFI’s trees:
Borg, Busuttil, Camilleri, Grech (typical for Alexandria (Egypt))
and many Gallo (see above in the FamilyTreeDNA section).

M.P. 5th-8th cousin 7 cM, 1 segm. 2.094 ppl S., D., and F. Musumeci, L.T. to be checked
tw… 5th-8th cousin 7 cM, 1 segm. 1.021 ppl A.G. (see above), D. Vieira, R. Cavallaro, L.T., N. Musumeci to be checked
bo… 5th-8th cousin 7 cM, 1 segm. 2.094 ppl 1_ap…, L.T. to be checked
ja… 5th-8th cousin 7 cM, 1 segm. 424 ppl, not visible A.G., D.M. Freas. Tree not visible.

(Deleted Tags: Acireale, Catania, Corrispondenze-DNA, DNA, Ricerche, Sicilia)