DNA-Match – confirmed
A. Palombini, from PA, USA (in the following indicated as APA) has a DNA-Match with me on both
- 23andme: 92 cM, 1,23%, possible 3rd cousin. APA’s maternal haplogroup is HV0, whereby mine is H-T192C!. Because we match on my maternal side, of course we cannot compare our paternal haplogroups;
- ancestry: 90 cM across 9 segments, possible 3rd to 4th cousin.
Following table shows confirmed (through documents) relationship to our MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor).
| % DNA | My family | APA’s family | % DNA | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| ~19,68% | MRCA: my 2x-great-grandparents and APA’s 3x-great-grandparents: Pietro Di Lorenzo (b. ca. 1833, d. unknown, resident in Novele) son of Andrea Di Lorenzo (b. unknown, d. before 1870) and Anna Bellini (b. ca. 1820, d. unknown, resident in Novele) daughter of Giovambattista Bellini (b. unknown, d. before 1870) |
~39,36% | ||
| ~9,84% | My great-grandmother: Anna Di Lorenzo a.k.a. Rosa + Sabatino Massetti |
systers | APA’s 2x-great-grandmother: Caterina Di Lorenzo a.k.a. Catherine (b. ca. 1864, d. 27 oct 1916 in Novele) + Domenico Palombini |
~19,68% |
| ~4,92% | My grandmother: Giovannina Massetti + Sante Cognoli |
1st cousins | APA’s great-grandfather: Sabatino Palombini (3 set 1894, Ascoli Piceno, Marche, Italia) + Enrica Velenosi (18 set 1898, Italia) |
~9,84% |
| ~2,46% | My mother | 2nd cousins | APA’s grandfather | ~4,92% |
| 1,23% | Me | 3rd cousins | APA’s father | ~2,46% |
| My son and my daughters | 4th cousins | APA | 1,23% | |
Thus, according to the table above, APA and I should be 4th cousins.
Location
According to the “New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957”, at Pag. 2, although mispelled, Sabatino Palombini’s birth place is indicated as Novele, small town near Quintodecimo by Acquasanta Terme, in the province Ascoli Piceno, in the region Marche in Italy. In the same list there are other passengers from another town near Acquasanta: Quintodecimo.
This explains why Sabatino and his father Domenico do not appear in the book Acquasanta Vol. IV, as do not appear all my ancestors coming from Quintodecimo, Novele, and Paggese.
Parents of Sabatino Palombini were Domenico Palombini and Caterina Di Lorenzo, birth place of both, unknown.
Anna Di Lorenzo a.k.a. Rosa, my great-grandmother, wife of Sabatino Massetti, was also born in Novele, whereby Sabatino Massetti was born in Quintodecimo, 1,5 KM from Novele.
Pietro Di Lorenzo, father of the above mentioned Anna a.k.a. Rosa, was resident in Novele in 1870, working as farmer.
Thus, both the place Novele and the surname Di Lorenzo are in APA’s family history and in mine.
More research is then needed on the Di Lorenzo Family, where most probably our MRCA is.
Common DNA-Matches
Following table shows the DNA-matches in common between APA and me.
| Name | relationship to me | relationship to APA | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| S. Palombini Jr. | 4th-6th cousin (62cM / 4 seg. – ancestry) | not reported on ancestry | Palombini (this) Family |
| N. Palombini | 4th-6th cousin (58cM / 4 seg. – ancestry) | not reported on ancestry | |
| S. Palombini | 4th-6th cousin (50cM / 4 seg. – ancestry) | not reported on ancestry | |
| Dante M. | 2nd cousin (2,82% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,18% – 23andme) | Contacted, no answer so far |
| P. Forlini | 3rd cousin (0,84% – 23andme) | 4th cousin (0,33% – 23andme) | See the Forlini family. |
| A. Palanca Caponigro | 4th cousin (0,45% – 23andme) | 4th cousin (0,24% – 23andme) | DNA-Match on MH with M. Caponigro (born Ciolino – from USA): 3rd-Dist. cousin, 0,2%, 16,3cM / 2 seg. |
| F. Guerrieri | 4th cousin (0,33% – 23andme) | 3rd cousin (0,43% – 23andme) | Surname in my family tree. To be contacted |
| C. Guerrieri | 4th-6th cousin (50cM / 3 seg. – ancestry) | not reported on ancestry | |
| E. Cicirello | 4th cousin (0,31% – 23andme) | 1st cousin (14,6% – 23andme) | Cicirello Family |
| A. Cicirello | 5th cousin (0,18% – 23andme) | 1st cousin (13,4% – 23andme) | |
| A. Hansma | 4th cousin (0,21% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,11% – 23andme) | DNA-Match on MH with I. Bachsleitner (from D): 3rd-Dist. cousin, 0,2%, 13,3cM / 2 seg. |
| L. Bellini | 4th-6th cousin (49cM / 4 seg. – ancestry) | not reported on ancestry | Surname in my family tree. To be contacted |
| Angela S. | 5th cousin (0,18% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,18% – 23andme) | |
| J. Celli | 5th cousin (0,18% – 23andme) | Dist. cousin (0,07% – 23andme) | |
| J. Bertapelle | 5th cousin (0,18% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,14% – 23andme) | |
| L. Moulton | 5th cousin (0,17% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,13% – 23andme) | DNA-Match on Gedmatch with J. Moulton, 6,9 gen. to MRCA, 8,5cM / 7 seg. |
| J. Guenther | 5th cousin (0,17% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,19% – 23andme) | |
| J. Pierandozzi | 5th cousin (0,17% – 23andme) | Dist. cousin (0,09% – 23andme) | |
| P. Fazi | 5th cousin (0,17% – 23andme) | Dist. cousin (0,08% – 23andme) | Surname in my family tree. To be contacted. DNA-Match on MH with M. Fazi (from CND): 3rd-Dist. cousin, 0,4%, 27,6cM / 2 seg. Contacted, no answer so far. |
| E. Hanrahan | 5th cousin (0,16% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,12% – 23andme) | |
| J. Contrino | 5th cousin (0,16% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,13% – 23andme) | |
| P.C. | 5th cousin (0,15% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,13% – 23andme) | |
| D. Brenner | 5th cousin (0,15% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,13% – 23andme) | |
| M. Cowden | 5th cousin (0,15% – 23andme) | Dist. cousin (0,08% – 23andme) | |
| M. Gibson | 5th cousin (0,15% – 23andme) | 3rd cousin (0,65% – 23andme) | DNA-Matches on MH with
See also The Peri Families. DNA-Match on Gedmatch with R. Gibson in one-to-many. No shared seg. with one-to-one with min.threshold = 500 SNPs, mismatch lim. = 250 SNPs, min. seg. cM = 7,0cM |
| L. Tagliente | 5th cousin (0,14% – 23andme) | 4th cousin (0,30% – 23andme) | |
| S. Castorani | 5th cousin (0,14% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,13% – 23andme) | |
| K. Mc Gorty | 5th cousin (0,14% – 23andme) | Dist. cousin (0,07% – 23andme) | |
| F. Centini | 5th cousin (0,13% – 23andme) | 4th cousin (0,20% – 23andme) | |
| L.G. | 5th cousin (0,13% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,10% – 23andme) | |
| R. Herring | 5th cousin (0,12% – 23andme) | 5th cousin (0,10% – 23andme) | DNA-Match on MH with R. Herring (the same person?): 3rd-Dist. cousin,0,2%, 13,4 cM / 2 seg. |
| E. Roselle | 5th cousin (0,12% – 23andme) | Dist. cousin (0,07% – 23andme) |
Of these surnames, Bellini, Fazi, and Guerrieri only compare in my family tree. However, Guerrieri compares in my maternal granfather branch.
DNA matches on FamilyTreeDNA
On FamilyTreeDNA I do not match with anyone, who has Palombini in their tree or are looking for this surname, as far as I know.
DNA matches on 23andme
As said at the beginning, I match with APA also on 23andme.
On 23andme I have another match, who is looking for the Palombini surname:
| Name | Relationship | cM, perc., segm. | Family Tree | Looking for, a.o. | Common locations | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| A. Cicirello | 3rd-dist. cousin | 14 cM, 0,18%, 1 segm. | unknown | Palombini (and D’Angelis) | Italia | Her maternal Haplogroup is J1c1, whereby mine is H. |
I share with A. Cicirello 23 common matches on 23andme:
| Name | relationship to me | relationship to A. Cicirello | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Dante M. | 2nd cousin (2,82%) | 5th cousin (0,17%) | See Other DNA-Matches. |
| of course APA | 3rd cousin (1,23%) | 1st cousin (13,4%) | See above. |
| P. Forlini | 3rd cousin (0,84%) | 5th cousin (0,14%) | See The Forlini Families. |
| S. Buono | 3rd cousin (0,42%) | 5th cousin (0,15%) | See Other DNA-Matches. |
| A. Palanca Caponigro | 4th cousin (0,45%) | 4th cousin (0,26%) | See Other DNA-Matches. |
| A. De Santis | 4th cousin (0,34%) | 5th cousin (0,15%) | See Pag. 222 in Acquasanta Vol. IV. The De Santis family is probably from Venarotta, AP, I |
| E. Cicirello | 4th cousin (0,31%) | Brother (54,6%) | |
| S. Balanis | 4th cousin (0,23%) | Dist. cousin (0,07%) | |
| A. Mariani | 5th cousin (0,20%) | 4th cousin (0,23%) | |
| Diane D. | 5th cousin (0,18%) | 5th cousin (0,19%) | |
| A. Puglisi | 5th cousin (0,17%) | 5th cousin (0,13%) | |
| R. Panicucci | 5th cousin (0,17%) | 3rd cousin (0,53%) | |
| P. Rose | 5th cousin (0,17%) | 5th cousin (0,13%) | |
| Jodie H. | 5th cousin (0,17%) | 5th cousin (0,09%) | |
| C. Cramer | 5th cousin (0,15%) | 5th cousin (0,13%) | |
| M. Gibson | 5th cousin (0,15%) | 4th cousin (0,35%) | |
| S. Leone | 5th cousin (0,15%) | 4th cousin (0,21%) | |
| L. Tagliente | 5th cousin (0,14%) | Dist. cousin (0,08%) | |
| C. Pivoney | 5th cousin (0,14%) | Dist. cousin (0,07%) | |
| L.G. | 5th cousin (0,13%) | 5th cousin (0,10%) | |
| F. Santini | 5th cousin (0,13%) | 5th cousin (0,11%) | |
| R. Lo Castro | 5th cousin (0,13%) | 5th cousin (0,16%) | |
| M. Kedl | 5th cousin (0,12%) | 5th cousin (0,10%) |
Of these surnames none is in my tree, as for current status of my researches.
DNA matches on MyHeritage
Again, on MyHeritage I do not match with anyone, who has Palombini in their tree or are looking for this surname, as far as I know..
Searching Palombini on the sites
I contacted already APA on ancestry and she answered. However, because of some other personal constraints, she could not provide many information yet, apart what is in her tree on ancestry.
That’s why, meanwhile, I use a different approach, looking for a possible confirmation of the connection through the documents I can find online.
Searching for Sabatino Palombini
I searched for Sabatino Palombini born around 1894 in Italy. Below are the results.
— TO BE CONTINUED (FS missing) —
| Name | Kind of Document | Date and place of birth | Parents | Wife / Husband | Children | Date and place of death | Notes | Links |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Raymond R. | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette – 11-Aug-2005 | ab. 1924 (86yo) | (late) Sabatino and Enrica | 09-Aug-2005 (of Sheraden) |
Siblings: Samuel and (late) Katherine Lebon, Dominic, Marino. Niece: Katherine Cicirello, Susan Kiesel, JoAnn Petercuskie. Nephew: Samuel Jr.. |
MH | ||
| Marino | Death Certificate | 05-Nov-1925 | Sabatino Palombini Enrica Velenosi |
(never married) | 27-Nov-1965 Pittsburgh, Allegheny, PA, USA |
ancestry | ||
| Dominic J. | Marriage | ab. 1923 | Sabatino Palombini Eurica Velenosi |
Rachel M. Cerminara 06-Aug-1946 Allegheny, PA, USA |
ancestry | |||
| Catherine Elizabeth | Death Certificate | 15-Jun-1921 PA, USA |
Sabatino Palombini Eurica Velenoci |
Theodor Lebon | 30-Jan-1943 Pittsburgh, Allegheny, PA, USA |
ancestry | ||
| Sabatino | FindAGrave | 02-Sept-1894 | 11-Sept-1929 Pittsburgh, PA, USA |
ancestry | ||||
| Sabatino | Petition for Naturalization | Arrival: 1920 Naturalization: 1928 |
MH | |||||
| 03-Sept-1894 Ascoli Piceno, Italy |
Enrica (b. in Italy) | Caterina (b. 15-Jun-1921, Monongahela, PA, USA); Domenico (b. 28-Sept-1922, Carolina, W.Va., PA, USA); Remo (b. 09-Dec-1923, Bruceton, PA, USA); Marino (b. 09-May-1925, Bruceton, PA, USA) |
Arrival: 1920 in Boston |
ancestry | ||||
| Oath of Allegiance | Arrival: 1920 Naturalization: 1928 |
MH | ||||||
| Certifcate of Arrival | Arrival: 1920 Naturalization: 1927 |
MH | ||||||
| Sabatino [Palambini] | Declaration of Intention | Arrival: 1920 Naturalization: 1925 |
MH | |||||
| Sabatino | 03-Sept-1894 Ascoli Piceno, Italy |
Enrica (b. in Italy) | Arrival: 1920 in Boston |
ancestry | ||||
| Sabatino [Palombino] | Boston, Massachusetts Passenger Lists, 1891-1943 | ab. 1894 (26yo) | Domenico [Palombino] (Acquasanta, AP, Italy) | (married) | Ship: Cretic Arrival: 30-Oct-1920 in Boston, Suffolk, MA, USA Destination: Monachelle, PA, USA |
MH | ||
| Massachusetts Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963 | ancestry | |||||||
| Book Indexes to Boston Passenger Lists, 1899-1940 | abt. 1894 (26yo) | ancestry | ||||||
| Sabatino | Tree (Velenosi Family) managed by auntbea58 | 03-Sept-1894 Ascoli Piceno, Marche, I |
Domenico Palombini Caterina Di Lorenzo |
Enrica Velenosi a.k.a. Righetta | Caterina (Katherine Elisabeth), 1921-1943 Domenico (Dominic Jr) Remo (Raymond Robert) Marino one “private”. |
11-Sept-1929 Pittsburgh, PA, USA |
ancestry | |
| Sabatini | New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957 | abt. 1894 (17yo)
Novele |
Domenico (Acquasanta) | last residence: Acquasanta Arrival: 12-Apr-1911 |
ancestry Pag. 1 Pag. 2 |
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Searching for Enrica Velenosi
I searched for Enrica Velenosi born around 1898 in Italy. Below are the results.
— TO BE CONTINUED (FS missing) —
| Name | Kind of Document | Date and place of birth | Parents | Wife / Husband | Children | Date and place of death | Notes | Links |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Enrica | Pennsylvania, Marriages, 1852-1968 | Katherine E. | Consent to the marriage of Katherine (1942). | ancestry | ||||
| Enrica “Righetta” | Tree (Velenosi Family) managed by auntbea58 | 18-Sept-1898, Acquasanta, Ascoli Piceno, Marche, I |
Domenico Velenosi Caterina |
Sabatino Palombini | Caterina (Katherine Elisabeth), 1921-1943 Domenico (Dominic Jr) Remo (Raymond Robert) Marino one “private”. |
29-Sept-1975 Pittsburgh, Allegheny, PA, USA |
ancestry | |
| Enrica | Massachusetts, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963 | abt. 1898 Ascoli Piceno |
[Sabatino Palombino] | see previous section about Sabatino Palombini | ancestry | |||
| Enrica | Book Indexes to Boston Passenger Lists, 1899-1940 | abt. 1898 | ancestry | |||||
Searching for Domenico Palombini
I searched for Domenico Palombini born around 1859 (assumed Sabatino was born when Domenico was 35) in Italy. Below are the results.
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Searching for Caterina Di Lorenzo
I searched for Domenico Palombini born around 1873 (assumed Sabatino was born when Caterina was 21) in Italy. Below are the results.
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(Deleted Tags: Acquasanta_Terme, Ascoli_Piceno, Corrispondenze-DNA, DNA)