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I have many DNA-Matches on different sites with individuals of the Sorbello families (plural because at the moment I don’t know if they all belong to the same family or branch).
On myheritage I don’t match with any Sorbellos, neither does my brother, however my father does.
- ASO
- on familytreedna: 23,0 cM, longest 8 cM, possible 5th to dist. cousin.
- and on 23andme: 12,0 cM across 1 segment, 0,16%, possible 5th cousin.
- GSO
- on 23andme: 12,0 cM across 1 segment, 0,16%, possible 5th cousin.
- with my father on myheritage: 8,6 cM across 1 segment, longest 8,6 cM, 0,1%, possible 3rd to dist. cousin.
- KSO on ancestry: 16,0 cM across 1 segment, possible 5th to 8th cousin.
- RSO on ancestry: 9,0 cM across 1 segment, possible 5th to 8th cousin.
- ROS on ancestry: 8,0 cM across 1 segment, possible 5th to 8th cousin.
- MSO on ancestry: 8,0 cM across 1 segment, possible 5th to 8th cousin. His tree is not visibile.
- DSO on ancestry: 6,0 cM across 1 segment, possible 5th to 8th cousin.
- SSO with my father on myheritage: 15,7 cM across 2 segments, longest 9,3 cM, 0,2%, possible 3rd to dist. cousin
On all sites I have DNA-matches with this surname in their trees (see below).
As of now, I don’t know the relationships between the above mentioned individuals and if they belong all to one and the same family or branch.
However, looking at this list, I will consider GSO and SSO to be the most suitable candidate for further researches. SSO because she share the most cM with my father. GSO because of personal curiosity.
Following tables show the possible relationships to our MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor). In parenthesis the less probable surnames, reported here just for sake of completeness and because DNA-matches and family trees are often not so precise or reliable.
Notes about the % of DNA
Because FamilyTreeDNA gives only the cM and not the percentage of DNA shared, I converted this into a percentage of DNA dividing it per 74.
Moreover, as the DNA is not passed exactly 50% from the parents to the children, I multiplicated the percentage of DNA times 1,7 instead of times 2 going back from one generation to the other.
Thus, the % of DNA in the following tables is a rough guess and should not be taken as exact.
Possible relationship with GSO
| % DNA | My family | MRCA | GSO’s family | % DNA |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| The percentage of DNA shared between GSO and me is very small (just 12 cM, which makes about 0,16%) thus our possible MRCA could be more than 8 generations back. My tree goes back just 5 generations, thus it could be difficult to find our MRCA. Currently, the MRCA between GSO and me should be found most probably in the families: …. |
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| ~39,23% | My 9x-great-grandparents: Greco, Tomarchio, Russo, … (Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
siblings? | GSO’s 6xgreat-grandparents: …. |
~39,23% |
| ~23,08% | My 8x-great-grandparents: Greco, Tomarchio, Russo, … (Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
siblings or 1st cousin? | GSO’s 6xgreat-grandparents: …. |
~23,08% |
| ~13,58% | My 7x-great-grandparents: Greco, Tomarchio, Russo, … (Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
1st or 2nd cousin? | GSO’s 6xgreat-grandparents: …. |
~13,58% |
| ~7,99% | My 6x-great-grandparents: Greco, Tomarchio, Russo, … (Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
1st to 3rd cousin? | GSO’s 6xgreat-grandparents: …. |
~7,99% |
| ~4,70% | My 5x-great-grandparents: Greco, Tomarchio, Russo, … (Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
2nd to 4th cousin? | GSO’s 5xgreat-grandparents: … |
~4,70% |
| ~2,77% | My 4x-great-grandparents: Greco, Tomarchio, Russo, … (Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
2nd to 5th cousin? | GSO’s 4xgreat-grandparents: … |
~2,77% |
| ~1,63% | My 3x-great-grandparents: Giambattista Greco + Maria Di Bella, Giuseppe Tomarchio + Carmela Russo (Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
3rd to 6th cousin? | GSO’s 3xgreat-grandparents: … |
~1,63% |
| ~0,96% | My 2x-great-grandparents: Nunzio Greco + Angela Tomarchio (Sciuto, Gangemi, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
3d to 7th cousin? | GSO’s 2xgreat-grandparents: … |
~0,96% |
| ~0,57% | My great-grandfather: Salvatore Greco (Sciuto, Andò, Aliotta) |
3rd to 8th cousins? | GSO’s great-grandparents: … |
~0,57% |
| ~0,34% | My grandfather: Greco (Andò) |
3rd to 9th cousins? | GSO’s grandparents: … |
~0,34% |
| ~0,2% | My father: Greco (Andò) |
3rd to dist. cousins? | GSO’s parents: … |
~0,2% |
| ~0,11% | Me | 3rd to dist. cousins? | GSO | ~0,11% |
None of the surnames of GSO’s ancestors is present in my main tree, although some of them does appear in my tree, e.g. Finocchiaro. Gentile too appears in my tree, but in the branch of my paternal grandmother, whose ancestors come from Messina rather than from Catania province.
In PGR’s tree appears also Giuseppa Di Bella (surname also in my tree), b. unknown, d. 13-Sep-1988. But she is in a collateral branch of him, so she should not have contributed to our common DNA pool.
Considering the names in PGR’s tree compared with the ones in mine, following considerations should, looking for our MRCA:
- Leopoldo, Leonardo, Mariano, Pietro, Veneranda, Michele, Agostino, Raffaele, Venera, Rosaria, Vincenzo, Caterina, and Pasquale do not appear in my tree, at least at the current status of the research and in the relevant branch;
- Alfia appears in collateral branches;
- Agata, Salvatore, Giuseppa, Sebastiana, and Maria do appear in my tree on the paternal branch.
Thus, according to the table above, PGR and I should be
- 3rdcousin, if ….
- 4th cousin, if ….
- 5th cousin, if ….
- 6th or 8th cousin, if the MRCA is further back in time.
Possible relationship with SSO
| % DNA | My family | MRCA | SSO’s family | % DNA |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| The percentage of DNA shared between SSO and my father is small (just 15,7 cM, which makes about 0,2%) thus our possible MRCA could be more than 7 generations back. My tree goes back just 5 generations, thus it could be difficult to find our MRCA. Currently, the MRCA between SSO and me should be found most probably in the families: …. |
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| My 9x-great-grandparents: Greco, Tomarchio, Russo, … (Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
siblings? | SSO’s 6xgreat-grandparents: …. |
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| ~31,11% | My 8x-great-grandparents: Greco, Tomarchio, Russo, … (Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
siblings or 1st cousin? | SSO’s 6xgreat-grandparents: …. |
~31,11% |
| ~18,30% | My 7x-great-grandparents: Greco, Tomarchio, Russo, … (Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
1st or 2nd cousin? | SSO’s 6xgreat-grandparents: …. |
~18,30% |
| ~10,77% | My 6x-great-grandparents: Greco, Tomarchio, Russo, … (Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
1st to 3rd cousin? | SSO’s 6xgreat-grandparents: …. |
~10,77% |
| ~6,34% | My 5x-great-grandparents: Greco, Tomarchio, Russo, … (Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
2nd to 4th cousin? | SSO’s 5xgreat-grandparents: … |
~6,34% |
| ~3,72% | My 4x-great-grandparents: Greco, Tomarchio, Russo, … (Di Bella, Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, …, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
2nd to 5th cousin? | SSO’s 4xgreat-grandparents: … |
~3,72% |
| ~2,19% | My 3x-great-grandparents: Giambattista Greco + Maria Di Bella, Giuseppe Tomarchio + Carmela Russo (Sciuto, Gangemi, Motta, Daidone, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
3rd to 6th cousin? | SSO’s 3xgreat-grandparents: … |
~2,19% |
| ~1,29% | My 2x-great-grandparents: Nunzio Greco + Angela Tomarchio (Sciuto, Gangemi, Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
3d to 7th cousin? | SSO’s 2xgreat-grandparents: … |
~1,29% |
| ~0,76% | My great-grandfather: Salvatore Greco (Sciuto, Andò, Aliotta) |
3rd to 8th cousins? | SSO’s great-grandparents: … |
~0,76% |
| ~0,45% | My grandfather: Greco (Andò) |
3rd to 9th cousins? | SSO’s grandparents: … |
~0,45% |
| ~0,27% | My father: Greco (Andò) |
3rd to dist. cousins? | SSO | ~0,27% |
| ~0,16% | Me | … | ~0,16% | |
The only surname present in both trees on the DNA line, is ….
Considering the names in GSO’s and SSO’s trees compared with the ones in mine, following considerations should be done, looking for our MRCA:
- … do not appear in my tree, at least at the current status of the research and in the relevant branch;
- … appear in collateral branches;
- … do appear in my tree on the paternal branch.
Thus, according to the table above, GSO and I should be
- 5th cousin, if …;
- 6th cousin, if …
- 7th cousin, if …
- 8th cousin, if …
- 9th or more distant, if the MRCA is further back in time.
And SSO and my father should be:
- 5th cousin, if …;
- 6th cousin, if …
- 7th cousin, if …
- 8th cousin, if …
- 9th or more distant, if the MRCA is further back in time.
Location
Possible location of the MRCA between GSO and SSO on one side and me on the other side should be found in Sicily, in the province of Catania.
It seems that my ancestors from that region were moving around a lot, so it could be possible that someone of them met some of GSO’s and SSO’s ancestors.
Following table shows the distance in kilometers between the known birth places of mine and PGR’s ancestors.
Two main town appear in GSO’s tree: ….
These two towns are also in my tree, so that the MRCA should be most probably looked for there.
One main town appear in SSO’s tree: ….
This town is also in my tree, so that the MRCA should be most probably looked for there.
The distance is as of today (Google Maps, routes by feet), but at those times could have been just some kilometers more. Anyway a distance that could have been done by feet in one or two days.
The difficulties in searching the documents is given also by the changes in jurisdiction of Zafferana Etnea and the towns nearby during the times when our ancestors lived.
| Giarre | Mascali | Linguaglossa | Acireale | Aci Catena | Aci San Filippo | Catania | |
| Zafferana Etnea, Bongiardo (NGR) |
8,5 Km (1 hour, 37 min.) | 11,5 Km (2 hour, 12 min.) | 20,3 Km (4 hours, 27 min.) | 13,2 Km (3 hours, 3 min.) | 11,8 Km (2 hours, 41 min.) | 14,1 Km (3 hours, 11 min.) | 23,9 Km (5 hours, 24 min.) |
| Giarre (Salvatore Greco) |
!!! | 3 Km (35 min.) | 15,9 Km (3 hours, 39 min.) | 15,4 Km (3 hours, 12 min.) | 14,7 Km (3 hours, 4 min.) | 17,0 Km (3 hours, 34 min.) | 28,6 Km (6 hours, 8 min.) |
| Dagala del Re (Nunzio Greco and Angela Tomarchio) |
5,6 Km (1 hour, 3 min.) | 8,6 Km (1 hour, 38 min.) | 20,7 Km (4 hours, 39 min.) | 12,9 Km (2 hours, 53 min.) | 11,4 Km (2 hours, 38 min.) | 13,7 Km (3 hours, 1 min.) | 24,6 Km (5 hours, 24 min.) |
| Acireale (ASC) |
15,4 Km (3 hours, 12 min.) | 18,4 Km (3 hours, 48 min.) | 31,3 Km (6 hours, 52 min.) | !!! | 3,0 Km (35 min.) | 3,7 Km (44 min.) | 14,1 Km (3 hours, 4 min.) |
| Aci Sant’Antonio (Giuseppe Sciuto) |
15,3 Km (3 hours, 7 min.) | 18,4 Km (3 hours, 42 min.) | 31,2 Km (6 hours, 46 min.) | 4,9 Km (1 hour, 10 min.) | 1,9 Km (30 min.) | 3,6 Km (50 min.) | 12,9 Km (2 hours, 56 min.) |
| Mascali (Agata Gangemi) |
3,0 Km (41 min.) | !!! | 12,8 Km (3 hours, 4 min.) | 18,4 Km (3 hours, 57 min.) | 17,8 Km (3 hours, 39 min.) | 20,1 Km (4 hours, 9 min.) | 31,3 Km (6 hours, 38 min.) |
Common DNA-Matches
Following sections show the DNA-matches in common between the above mentioned Sorbellos and me or my father resp..
3rd cousins (or anyway more than 0,40%)
| Name | relationship to me/ my father | in common with | site | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| my daughter | my father: grandchild (2.114,4 cM, 29,8%) | SSO (3rd to dist. cousin, 9,8 cM, 0,1%) | myheritage | |
| ROF | my father: 3rd to 7th cousin (84,3 cM, 1,2%) | SSO (3rd to dist. cousin, 23,5 cM, 0,3%) | myheritage | See also The Fichera Families. |
| RFI | my father: 5th to 9th cousin (41,9 cM, 0,6%) | SSO (5th to 9th cousin, 40,7 cM, 0,6%) | myheritage | |
| JKH | my father: 5th to 9th cousin (33,3 cM, 0,5%) | SSO (5th to 9th cousin, 34,0 cM, 0,5%) | myheritage | |
| J. Le Mura | my father: 5th to 9th cousin (40,4 cM, 0,6%) | SSO (5th to 9th cousin, 48,6 cM, 0,7%) | myheritage | |
| A. Feoli | my father: 5th to 9th cousin (37,2 cM, 0,5%) | SSO (5th to 9th cousin, 47,9 cM, 0,7%) | myheritage | |
| D. Bertolino | my father: 5th to 9th cousin (39,9 cM, 0,6%) | SSO (5th to 9th cousin, 35,3 cM, 0,5%) | myheritage | |
| Frank | my father: 5th to 9th cousin (44,2 cM, 0,6%) | SSO (5th to 9th cousin, 28,2 cM, 0,4%) | myheritage | |
| F. Reitano | my father: 5th to 9th cousin (25,1 cM, 0,4%) | SSO (5th to 9th cousin, 44,9 cM, 0,6%) | myheritage | |
| V. Silvestro | my father: 5th to 9th cousin (38,1 cM, 0,5%) | SSO (5th to 9th cousin, 30,2 cM, 0,4%) | myheritage | |
| O. Ross | my father: 5th to 9th cousin (44,2 cM, 0,6%) | SSO (3rd to dist. cousin, 21,5 cM, 0,3%) | myheritage | |
4th cousins (from 0,40% to 0,21%)
| Name | relationship to me | in common with | site | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ragusa | my father: 3rd to dist. cousin (15,5 cM, 0,2%) | SSO (5th to 7th cousin, 87,9 cM, 1,2%) | myheritage | |
| S. Ragusa | my father: 3rd to dist. cousin (16,3 cM, 0,2%) | SSO (3rd to 7th cousin, 86,8 cM, 1,2%) | myheritage | |
| A.T. Nieglos | my father: 3rd to dist. cousin (20,7 cM, 0,3%) | SSO (5th to 9th cousin, 67,7 cM, 1,0%) | myheritage | |
| R. Contarino | my father: 3rd to dist. cousin (12,7 cM, 0,2%) | SSO (5th to 9th cousin, 55,9 cM, 0,8%) | myheritage | |
| J. Patane | my father: 5th to 9th cousin (30,7 cM, 0,4%) | SSO (5th to 9th cousin, 34,1 cM, 0,5%) | myheritage | |
| B. Huntley | my father: 5th to 9th cousin (22,3 cM, 0,3%) | SSO (5th to 9th cousin, 42,0 cM, 0,6%) | myheritage | |
| — Work in progress — | ||||
5th cousins (from 0,20% to 0,15%)
| Name | relationship to me | in common with | site | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| V. Vitale | me: 5th to dist. cousin | ASO | FamilyTreeDna | See also The Grasso Families. |
5th cousin (0,14% and less)
| Name | relationship to me | in common with | site | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
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Shared DNA groups
- On chromosome 1:
- #3: Half identical segment
- with IGR (Genomic Position: 218067665-223561802; Genetic distance: 5.47 cM; Number of SNPs: 855)
- with C. Napoleone (Genomic Position: 218077127-230160420; Genetic distance: 10.64 cM; Number of SNPs: 2023)
- #3: Half identical segment
- On chromosome 5:
- #7 Half identical segment
- with O. Ross (Genomic Position: 19426784-30209724; Genetic distance: 8.91 cM; Number of SNPs: 1702)
- #7 Half identical segment
- On chromosome 6:
- #5 Half identical segment
- with MKG (Genomic Position: 11732823-20374128; Genetic distance: 13.22 cM; Number of SNPs: 2127)
- with V. Borrero (Genomic Position: 14361203-24666007; Genetic distance: 15.67 cM; Number of SNPs: 2733)
- #6 Half identical segment
- with MKG (Genomic Position: 11732823-20374128; Genetic distance: 13.22 cM; Number of SNPs: 2127)
- with N. Jones (Genomic Position: 14136373-23588957; Genetic distance: 14.26 cM; Number of SNPs: 2412)
- #5 Half identical segment
- On chromosome 8:
- #8: Half identical segment:
- with FGR (Genomic Position: 27394350-39548378; Genetic distance: 11.98 cM; Number of SNPs: 1952)
- with O. Ross (Genomic Position: 28041438-65606916; Genetic distance: 26.69 cM; Number of SNPs: 5581)
- #10: Half identical segment:
- with FGR (Genomic Position: 27394350-39548378; Genetic distance: 11.98 cM; Number of SNPs: 1952)
- with S. Cavallaro (Genomic Position: 26724326-65786716; Genetic distance: 28.22 cM; Number of SNPs: 6026)
- #11: Half identical segment:
- with FGR (Genomic Position: 27394350-39548378; Genetic distance: 11.98 cM; Number of SNPs: 1952)
- with T. Di Buono (Genomic Position: 31033995-52050649; Genetic distance: 10.47 cM; Number of SNPs: 2408)
- #8: Half identical segment:
- On chromosome 9:
- #9: Half identical segment:
- with O. Ross (Genomic Position: 26022050-34469025; Genetic distance: 9.15 cM; Number of SNPs: 1997)
- #9: Half identical segment:
- On chromosome 12:
- #1: Half identical segment:
- with IGR (Genomic Position: 20359670-30971860; Genetic distance: 14.42 cM; Number of SNPs: 2974)
- with R. Elia (Genomic Position: 21728260-46558765; Genetic distance: 20.48 cM; Number of SNPs: 4923)
- #2: Half identical segment:
- with IGR (Genomic Position: 20359670-30971860; Genetic distance: 14.42 cM; Number of SNPs: 2974)
- with N. Sposto (Genomic Position: 22244444-31816623; Genetic distance: 13.02 cM; Number of SNPs: 2558)
- #4: Half identical segment:
- with IGR (Genomic Position: 20359670-30971860; Genetic distance: 14.42 cM; Number of SNPs: 2974)
- with J. Correa (Genomic Position: 24444846-32006563; Genetic distance: 9.51 cM; Number of SNPs: 2041)
- #1: Half identical segment:
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