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GVE, from USA, has a DNA-Match with me on myheritage:
- 297,9 cM (longest one 57,3 cM) across 18 segments, 4,2%, possible 2nd to 4th cousin
and with my father as well as with my brother and my two daughters, also on myheritage:
- (with my father): 466,5 cM (longest one 57,3 cM) across 25 segments, possible granduncle to 2nd cousin
- (with my brother): 278,3 cM (longest one 52,8 cM) across 12 segments, possible 2nd to 3rd cousin.
Although I have a Venegoni on my tree (Angelo Venegoni, b. 25 sept 1909 in Missouri, USA; d. 18 july2008 in St. Louis, MO, USA) he has no DNA-relatdness with me. Angelo married Angelina Finocchiaro (b. ab. 1915 in St. Louis, MO, USA; d. ab. apr 1994). Following figure shows that branch of my tree.
As you can see from the small blue circles, there is no “DNA-Connection” between my ancestors (e.g. Salvatore Greco and Anna Sciuto) and the mentioned Angelo.
That means we should look further back to find another DNA-Connection with the Venegoni family and GVE.
Following table shows the possible relationship to our MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor). In parenthesis the less probable surnames, reported here just for sake of completeness and because DNA-matches and family trees are often not so precise or reliable.
| % DNA | My family | MRCA | GVE’s family | % DNA |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| The possible MRCA between GVE and me should be found in the Greco family: maybe Giambattista Greco. Greco ⇐ Finocchiaro ⇐ Venegoni |
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| ~52,8% | My 2x-great-grandparents: Nunzio Greco + Angela Tomarchio, Giuseppe Sciuto + Agata Gangemi (Andò, Scuderi, Aliotta, Donato) |
Siblings? | GVE’s 2x-great-grandparents: … |
~52,8% |
| ~26,4% | My great-grandparents: Greco + Sciuto, Andò + Aliotta | uncle or 1st cousins? | GVE’s great-grandparents: … |
~26,4% |
| ~13,2% | My grandparents: Greco + Andò … |
uncle or 1st cousins? | GVE grandparents: … |
~13,2% |
| 6,6% | My father | grand-uncle or 2nd cousins? (matches in myheritage) |
GVE parents: … |
6,6% |
| 4,2% (3,9%) |
Me (my brother) |
2nd or 4th cousins? | GVE | 4,2% (3,9%) |
| 2,6% 2,5% |
my daughters | 3rd or 5th cousins? | 2,6% 2,5% |
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Thus, according to the table above, GVE and I should be
- 2nd cousin, if …,
- 3rd cousin, if …,
- 4th cousin, if ….
Location
Having GVE’s tree on myheritage just two people and not visible, I have no information about where his ancestors where from.
However, according to the few common DNA-Matches, I guess the location of origin of our MRCA to be in Sicily, probably in the Catania province, most probably in the Acireale zone.
Common DNA-Matches
Following table shows the DNA-matches in common between GVE and me.
| Name | relationship to me | relationship to GVE | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| FDC | father (3.537,2 cM 49,9%) |
granduncle, 2nd cousin. (466,5 cM 6,6%) |
My father as GVE’s granduncle is consistent with the fact that my brother and I are one generation forward ans should be his 2nd cousins. |
| FAP | dautghter (3.517,2 cM, 49,6%) |
2nd-4th cousin (178,3 cM, 2,5%) |
Consistent with the relationship between GVE and my father and with my brother and me, my daughters should be his 3th cousins. |
| GFE | daughter (3512,3 cM, 49,5%) |
3th-4th cousin (182,6 cM, 2,6%) |
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| DNG | brother (2622,3 cM, 37,0%) |
2nd-3rd cousin (278,3 cM, 3,9%) |
Quite the same as mine as DNG is my brother. |
| J. Le Mura | 5th-9th cousin (27,3 cM, longest 11,2 cM, 3 segm., 0,4%) |
3th-dist. cousin (33,9 cM, 0,5%) |
No visible tree. |
| M. Rod | 3th-dist. cousin (11,6 cM, longest 11,6 cM, 1 segm., 0,2%) |
5th-9th cousin (42,8 cM, 0,6%) |
Tree with just 9 people. No known surnames (Lipera, Spina). |
| LFI | 5th-9th cousin (32,1 cM, longest 23,9 cM, 2 segm., 0,5%) |
3th-dist. cousin (19,1 cM, 0,3%) |
See The Fichera Families. |
| JVH | 3th-dist. cousin (30,8 cM, longest 20,5 cM, 2 segm., 0,4%) |
3th-dist. cousin (18,8 cM, 0,3%) |
Clusters
GVE is in my cluster 13, where also following matches are:
- G. Samperi,
- T. Schaffer, and
- M.N. Devarso.
DNA matches on FamilyTreeDNA
On FamilyTreeDNA I do not match with anyone, who has Venegoni in their tree or are looking for this surname, as far as I know.
DNA matches on 23andme
Neither on 23andme I do match with anyone, who has Venegoni in their tree or are looking for this surname, as far as I know.
DNA matches on ancestry
Again, on ancestry I neither match with anyone, who has Venegoni in their tree or are looking for this surname, as far as I know.
Searching Venegoni on the sites
I contacted GVE on myheritage on 29-Dec-2018 but didn’t get any answer so far.
So, as I have very few information about GVE’s family, I’ve to use a different approach, looking for a possible connection through the documents I can find online.
Only information I have are name (George) and surname (Venegoni) and possible date of birth (around 1954 as in 2019 he is between 60 and 70).
I have then put such few information in the search criteria. Below are the results.
| Name | Kind of Document | Date and place of birth | Parents | Wife | Children | Date and place of death | Notes | Links |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| unknown | Academy of Our Lady’s and Spalding Institute’s Yearbooks 1977 |
John | MH1 MH2 |
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| Joseph George a.k.a. Joseph A. | Index Public Documents USA | 22-Jun-1967 | Possible relatives: Mary R., b. 24-Nov-1916; Constance M., b. 22-Mar-1942; Theresa Marie, b. 20-Nov-1965; Sharon C., b. 26-Apr-1977. |
MH | ||||
| unknown | Bishop Dubourg High School’s Yearbook 1963 |
Vera | MH | |||||
| George | McBride High School’s Yearbook 1967 (Long Beach, CA, USA) |
~1952 (67 in 2019) |
He could be GVE. | MH1 MH2 |
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| George | Angelo Venegoni (d. 18-Jul-2008, St. Louis, MO, USA). Angelina L. Finocchiaro. |
Possible relatives: Louis, John, Ambrose, Lawrence. Other people: Josephine Ferrario, Rose Piantanida, Louis, Maria Hopple, Ann Kelly. |
Siblings: Gerard, Antoinette (Bollinger), Angelo J. | FS1 FS2 |
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| George Alfio | Index Public Documents USA | 11-May-1949 | ?Gina? | Possible relatives: Catherine (Newberry), b. 11-Apr-1966; Angelo Joseph, b. 25-Sept-1909; Ambrose P., b. 4-Sept-1916; Linda M., b. 20-May-1953; Joe, b. 24-Jun-1955; Vicki G., b. 9-Feb-1957; Julie M., 6-May-1980; Leslie A., b. 23-Jun-1983; Gina |
He could be GVE. | MH | ||
| United States Public Records, 1970-2009 | 11-May-1949 | Possible relatives: Ambrose P., Angelo Joseph, Gina, Joe, Julie M., Leslie A., Linda M., Catherine (Newberry), Vicki G.. |
FS | |||||
| George Anthony | Births CA, USA | 10-Jun-1940 Los Angeles, CA, USA |
Mother maiden name: Hahn | MH | ||||
| Antohony George | Index Public Documents USA | 10-Jun-1940 | Possible relatives: Catherine J., b. 02-Sept-1947; Marc Anthony, b. 20-Nov-1974; Nicholas John, b. 25-May-1977; Nicky J.. |
MH | ||||
| Joseph George (Joseph G.) |
Tree on FS | 19-Dec-1909 | Battista Luigi a.k.a. Bob, Robert, b. 13-Jun-1881 or 1884, prob. Cuggiono, MI, I; d. 21-Jun-1952, St. Louis, MO, USA; mother: Rosa Bazzetta. Teresa Rosa neé Seratoni, b. 1888, d. 1978, St. Louis, MO, USA; |
Joseph A., Joseph George, Frank Joseph. |
26-Sept-1967 St. Louis, MO, USA |
Brother: Frank Joseph. Syster: Maria Veronica (mar. Tunesi). |
MH | |
| FindAGrave | 19-Dec-1909 | Battista (b. 13-Jun-1884, Milan, Italy; d. 21-Jun-1952, Affton, St. Louis, MO, USA). Teresa neé Seratoni (b. 30-Jan-1888, Italy; d. Nov-1978, St. Louis, MO, USA) |
26-Sept-1967 | Brother: Frank Joseph. | ancestry | |||
| Burial | Affton, St. Louis, MO,USA | FS | ||||||
| United States Public Records, 1970-2009 | Residence: Newborn, GA, USA | FS | ||||||
| George J. | Death Certificate MO, 1910-1960 |
17-Mar-1875 Italy |
Joseph Venegoni (b. Italy) Catherina Cuccetta (b. Italy) |
Regina Roncilio | 14-Sept-1948 (73) St. Louis Burial: 18-Sept-1948 |
Is this George J. the same as in following row (George a.k.a Joe)? | MH | |
| Tree managed by David Adams |
17-Mar-1875 Italy |
Regina | Louis | 14-Sept-1948 (73) Saint Louis, St. Louis City, MO, USA |
MH | |||
| Social Security USA, 1936-2007 | Regina Rauciglio | Ambrose Paul (b. 04-Sept-1916. St. Lousi, MO, USA; d. 15-Apr-2002) | ancestry | |||||
| Social Security USA, 1936-2007 | Regina Rancilio | John Frank (b. 17-Feb-1913, St. Louis, MO, USA; d. 30-Dec-2005) | ancestry | |||||
| George a.k.a. Joe |
Tree (Duchinsky Family) managed by tded1 | 17-Mar-1875 Cuggiono, MI, Italy |
Joseph Venegoni (b. Cuggiono) Caterina Cucchetti (b. Cuggiono) |
Regina Rancilio (b. 1877, Cuggiono, d. 1964, St. Louis) | Josephine (1898-1976, m. Ambrose Ferrario), Rosie (1903-1985), Cesear (1904-1973), Louis (1908-1931), Angelo (1909-???), Marie (1911-1976), Ambrose (1916-2002), Lawrence (1920-1963), 2 “privates”. |
Is this George a.k.a. Joe the same as in the two previous rows (George J.)?
Is Angelo, son of George, the same Angelo I have in my tree? According to the birth year he could be! |
ancestry | |
| George | Deaths in Illinois, 1916-1950 |
23-Aug-1948 Road Dist No 5 Unio, Union, IL, USA |
MH | |||||
| George | Deaths in Illinois, 1916-1950 |
22-Sept-1922 Westville, Vermilion, IL, USA |
MH | |||||
| Georg | Anna Nowak | Anna (bapt. 27-Jul-1823, Nagybajom, Somogy, H) | ancestry | |||||
| Georgius | Anna Norak | Joannes (bapt. 26-Jan-1821, Nagybajom, Somogy, H) | ancestry | |||||
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